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8:31 am November 30, 2010
| theredone
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I have seen the Role Scoper Overview and Usage Guide; however, they appears out of date (either that, or I'm way over my head [which is a real possibility]).
Is there an updated User Manual?
I am using RS for a school's web site I volunteered to create. There are lots of teachers with lots of categories and corresponding groups for each category (Math, Science, Creative Arts…) and each teacher (Math>>Ms. Counts, Math>>Mrs. Fraction, Math>>Mr. Sigma…). I want for each teacher to see their posts (edit, delete, moderate comments) and for the department head to see (edit, delete, moderate comments) for all the teachers they supervise.
I am still in the development stage - created a demo site; created a dozen or so user ID's to simulate teachers; and assigned those users to RS groups. I also created a bunch of dummy content (posts and pages) as the Admin, then assigned Authors to the various posts and pages (using the edit posts/page screen and "Author" drop down).
The problem I'm running into is that teachers cannot see the posts that list them as Authors nor can they see the posts that are listed in the category they have been granted access to. Nor can they edit a post they created.
I think I have one or two default settings incorrect, but don't know which one(s).
I'm sure I could get this working with an updated manual. I thought I saw a link for a manual for sale by a 3rd party but now can't find the link now.
A push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
BTW, I'm using WP 3.0.1 and RS 1.3.11.
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10:24 am November 30, 2010
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I have the same "problem", dunno how to set up that option, and been all day trying to figure out how to do that. Once installed the pluging, Contributors or Authors can see their own posts.
Congratulations for such a good plugin, the best ive seen and free ;). Thanks
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3:53 pm November 30, 2010
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theredone said:
Is there an updated User Manual?
Sadly, no.
I want for each teacher to see their posts (edit, delete, moderate comments) and for the department head to see (edit, delete, moderate comments) for all the teachers they supervise…
…created a dozen or so user ID's to simulate teachers; and assigned those users to RS groups. I also created a bunch of dummy content (posts and pages) as the Admin, then assigned Authors to the various posts and pages (using the edit posts/page screen and "Author" drop down).
Due to Role Scoper's flexible (and sometimes confusing) array of role assignment and restriction possibilities, designating a user as "Post Author" does not in itself grant editing rights. They will also need a "Post Author" role in the categories in question. This can be satisfied by a WordPress role of "Author" if the "Post Author" role is not restricted for the category or post in question. A role being "restricted" for a category or post means that role assignments of a broader "scope" are ignored.
Keep in mind that if you restrict the Post Author / Post Editor role for an individual published post, that post will be editable only by those who are selected in the "Editors" metabox for that post.
Another concept to be aware of is that group membership does not automatically provide reading or editing permission to posts by other group members. Groups are just a collection of users that can receive a role assignment. Role assignments can be General (site-wide), per-category, per-post or per-page. Per-page role assignments can be set to propagate to subpages if desired.
Finally, keep in mind that if you make someone a Page Editor for specific pages, they will still not be able to create subpages unless you also assign a General Role of Page Contributor or Page Author.
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3:59 pm November 30, 2010
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Vera said:
I have the same "problem", dunno how to set up that option, and been all day trying to figure out how to do that. Once installed the pluging, Contributors or Authors can see their own posts.
Congratulations for such a good plugin, the best ive seen and free ;). Thanks
Did my explanation solve your problem? If not, can you explain what exactly you mean by "that option" ?
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4:42 pm November 30, 2010
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Kevin said:
Vera said:
I have the same "problem", dunno how to set up that option, and been all day trying to figure out how to do that. Once installed the pluging, Contributors or Authors can see their own posts.
Congratulations for such a good plugin, the best ive seen and free ;). Thanks
Did my explanation solve your problem? If not, can you explain what exactly you mean by "that option" ?
Actually that explanation didnt solve my "problem". What I mean is that if you have a clean install of your plugin, if you change a Suscriber to Contributor. This new contributor can type, edit and so on, so on, but once he/she sends the post to review by an Admin or Editor, once he/she sends that post in he/she screen of entries disappear. Now imagine that post is published, he or she wont be able to see it in his/her entries screen.
Dont know if I have explained very good. If not, let me know and will try to add pics next time.
Thanks for your help
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8:52 pm November 30, 2010
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Vera said:
Kevin said:
Vera said:
I have the same "problem", dunno how to set up that option, and been all day trying to figure out how to do that. Once installed the pluging, Contributors or Authors can see their own posts.
Congratulations for such a good plugin, the best ive seen and free ;). Thanks
Did my explanation solve your problem? If not, can you explain what exactly you mean by "that option" ?
Actually that explanation didnt solve my "problem". What I mean is that if you have a clean install of your plugin, if you change a Suscriber to Contributor. This new contributor can type, edit and so on, so on, but once he/she sends the post to review by an Admin or Editor, once he/she sends that post in he/she screen of entries disappear. Now imagine that post is published, he or she wont be able to see it in his/her entries screen.
Dont know if I have explained very good. If not, let me know and will try to add pics next time.
Thanks for your help
I'm having trouble reproducing that error. Have you customized the capabilities included in the WP Contributor role definition? Have you set any Role Scoper Category Restrictions or Default Post Restrictions?
Running RS 1.3.11 on WP 3.0.x ?
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2:33 am December 1, 2010
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Kevin said:
Vera said:
Kevin said:
Vera said:
I have the same "problem", dunno how to set up that option, and been all day trying to figure out how to do that. Once installed the pluging, Contributors or Authors can see their own posts.
Congratulations for such a good plugin, the best ive seen and free ;). Thanks
Did my explanation solve your problem? If not, can you explain what exactly you mean by "that option" ?
Actually that explanation didnt solve my "problem". What I mean is that if you have a clean install of your plugin, if you change a Suscriber to Contributor. This new contributor can type, edit and so on, so on, but once he/she sends the post to review by an Admin or Editor, once he/she sends that post in he/she screen of entries disappear. Now imagine that post is published, he or she wont be able to see it in his/her entries screen.
Dont know if I have explained very good. If not, let me know and will try to add pics next time.
Thanks for your help
I'm having trouble reproducing that error. Have you customized the capabilities included in the WP Contributor role definition? Have you set any Role Scoper Category Restrictions or Default Post Restrictions?
Running RS 1.3.11 on WP 3.0.x ?
Nope, ive just installed for first time without changing anything, not even in Role Scoper Category Restrictions or Default Post Restrictions. Im running the las RS 1.3.11 and on 3.0.1. I just dont want to change anything till you get the idea about if that issue is because of the problem. Ive try another plugin, deactivating first RS, that plugin permits to contributors see their posts, comments, etc.., but the inconvenient is that besides their posts and comments, they can see other posts and comments that dont belong to them. This is why I prefer your plugin, it is usefull but still a little complicated to set it up correctly ;).
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7:29 am December 1, 2010
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Does the error still occur if you temporarily disable other plugins? If you switch to the default (2010) theme?
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7:35 am December 1, 2010
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Have you used Capability Manager or some other plugin to modify the WordPress Contributor role definition? In Roles > Optiosn > RS Role Defs > WP Role Defs, if you scroll down to "WP / RS Role Equivalence", does it show "Post Contributor" as one of the contained RS roles for the WP Role of Contributor?
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8:41 am December 1, 2010
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Kevin said:
Have you used Capability Manager or some other plugin to modify the WordPress Contributor role definition? In Roles > Optiosn > RS Role Defs > WP Role Defs, if you scroll down to "WP / RS Role Equivalence", does it show "Post Contributor" as one of the contained RS roles for the WP Role of Contributor?
Yeah, ive been using before "Capability Manater plugin", but it is not used anymore, uninstalled and all tables deleted. Ive taken some screenshots.
1. Here you´re able to see a contributor screen, it has one post and one comment published. But it is not able to see the entries and even the comments. As you can see ive made some changes in the menu bar, cause in a new WordPress installation the contributor can see the Role and Restrictions menu. Im using Wordpress 3.0.1 not 3.0.2

2. Here are the options in In Roles > Optiosn > RS Role Defs > WP Role Defs

3. At the end, made a new WordPress install in subdomain http://pruebas.verasoul.com to keep testing how it works. I´ve create an Contributor user, in the pic you have the username and pass if you wanna try something, make a post, i will aproved then u´ll see what i mean.
Ive realized that in new WordPress install, the contributor are able to see the Role and Restrictions menu bar.
Here you´re able to see RS working in new Wordpress setup.

Note: in Test im running Wordpress 3.0.2
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8:50 am December 1, 2010
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Even if you have removed Capability Manager, changes made to the WP role defintions are still stored in your database.
On the RS Role Defs screen for the Post Contributor role, try checking "sync WP Contributor to these selections." Then hit the Update button.
I would still like to know what you see in the "WP / RS Role Equivalence" list after scrolling down in "WP Role Defs".
To remove the Roles and Restrictions tabs for Contributors, simply set this option: Roles > Options > Features tab > Content Maintenance > Roles and Restrictions can be set > by Editors and Administrators.
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11:04 am December 1, 2010
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Kevin said:
Even if you have removed Capability Manager, changes made to the WP role defintions are still stored in your database.
On the RS Role Defs screen for the Post Contributor role, try checking "sync WP Contributor to these selections." Then hit the Update button.
I would still like to know what you see in the "WP / RS Role Equivalence" list after scrolling down in "WP Role Defs".
To remove the Roles and Restrictions tabs for Contributors, simply set this option: Roles > Options > Features tab > Content Maintenance > Roles and Restrictions can be set > by Editors and Administrators.
Ok, menu fixed, anyway i think this option should be marked my default ;). Roles > Options > Features tab > Content Maintenance > Roles and Restrictions can be set > by Editors and Administrators.
Here you got the wp-roles

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11:52 am December 1, 2010
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Agreed on defaulting that option differently; change is in place for the next RS release.
I just logged into your test site (and modified the password). Post submitted fine and can be further edited. Are you still seeing a problem?
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12:08 pm December 1, 2010
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Kevin said:
Agreed on defaulting that option differently; change is in place for the next RS release.
I just logged into your test site (and modified the password). Post submitted fine and can be further edited. Are you still seeing a problem?
Ive just published your test posts, now lets see if u´re able to see them in your contributor panel, because that is what I meant ;).
Now when the post is published, a contributor wouldnt be able to edit it anymore, but they must see them published.
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12:18 pm December 1, 2010
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Vera said:
Kevin said:
Agreed on defaulting that option differently; change is in place for the next RS release.
I just logged into your test site (and modified the password). Post submitted fine and can be further edited. Are you still seeing a problem?
Ive just published your test posts, now lets see if u´re able to see them in your contributor panel, because that is what I meant ;).
Now when the post is published, a contributor wouldnt be able to edit it anymore, but they must see them published.
That's normal WordPress functionality for a Contributor. Part of the role definition is that they do not have the "edit published posts" capability. If you need that, you can add it via Roles > Options > RS Role Defs. For best results, also check the "Sync WP Role" checkbox before updating.
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12:38 pm December 1, 2010
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Kevin said:
Vera said:
Kevin said:
Agreed on defaulting that option differently; change is in place for the next RS release.
I just logged into your test site (and modified the password). Post submitted fine and can be further edited. Are you still seeing a problem?
Ive just published your test posts, now lets see if u´re able to see them in your contributor panel, because that is what I meant ;).
Now when the post is published, a contributor wouldnt be able to edit it anymore, but they must see them published.
That's normal WordPress functionality for a Contributor. Part of the role definition is that they do not have the "edit published posts" capability. If you need that, you can add it via Roles > Options > RS Role Defs. For best results, also check the "Sync WP Role" checkbox before updating.
Changes have been done and sync with wp role. Now it works!. Thanks a lot ;). Now I really hope that the user theredone has the chance to check out these and fix it too. That is what he was asking for.
Thanks a lot once again Kevin and sorry if any missunderstanding but my mother language is spanish ;).
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12:42 pm December 1, 2010
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Forgot to tell you the plugin is working fine on WordPress 3.0.2 version.
Great job u´ve done!
Thanks.
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6:24 am December 2, 2010
| theredone
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Kevin,
I appreciate your thoughtful help and guidance; however, I think I must still have something wrong. If you would be so kind to see the screen shots below and let me know what changes I should make…
This example is for Ms. Counts, she is a math teacher, her WP role is "Author", her RS Group roles are "Editor" and "Administrator" for the Mathematics group.
The settings are as follows:
1. Users > Role Groups > Mathematics:

2. These are the options under RS > Roles > Options > RS Role Def:

3. Under Restrictions > Posts, these are the settings:

4. Under Ms. Counts > Posts:

See, it is empty; however, if you look at this page on the site, she has a post that lists Ms. Counts as the author and it is categoried as Mathematics.
What other setting(s) do I need?

 
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9:25 am December 2, 2010
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I only see one misstep there. Here's what you'll need to do:
1. Remove the Post Restrictions ( Restrictions > Posts )
2. Apply Category Restrictions instead. You can begin by restricting the "Post Contributor", "Post Author" and "Post Editor" by default for all categories. Then unrestrict individual categories as needed if there is one that should be available to all.
3. To avoid future configuration problems, go back to Roles > Options > RS Role Defs, check the "Sync" checboxes for Post Contributor and Post Author, and click Update.
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9:32 am December 2, 2010
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By the way, an alternate configuration which would give you the same end result is to give Ms. Counts and other teachers a WP Role of Subscriber. Then there is no need for restrictions because they don't have any editing access from the WordPress role. This is actually better for security because the site then defaults to no editing access if Role Scoper is temporarily disabled. If there are other motivations to give then a distinct WP Role, you could use Capability Manager to create a new role named "Teacher", as a copy of the Subscriber role.
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